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项武义的Kepler梦想--jasonbwu的博客

数学界很多人都知道项武义,倒不是因为他的数学有多强,而是因为一个古老的问题--Kepler猜想,这也让项武义成了数学界的一个笑柄。

这个项老头子早年跟哥哥项武忠一道研究拓扑。老了就从Berkeley回到香港科大养老。可他又偏偏闲不住,精力还特充沛,于是开始在国内到处宣传他的教学改革。听他的演讲,还真是豪情万丈,"Klein的Erlangen纲领只不过是个小小的idea。","分形几何那都是糊弄人的东西,是伪科学。"不明就里的学生还真对这个大块头的老头子佩服不已。直让人怀疑他是不是立志做数学界的"方舟子","王海"。

项老头子是个聪明人,因为他知道在德国说"Erlangen纲领是个trivial的idea"可是要挨鸡蛋的,他也知道在国外搞教改肯定没人理他。可怜了他只能在国内到处跑,凡是有关教改的大小会议一概不会错过。还出版了一套基础数学讲义丛书,可惜其中有不少"项氏风格"的废话。

也许觉得还不够出风头,项老头子不知咋的,开始对Kepler装球问题感起了兴趣。1992年到1993年,他在几个数学杂志上发表了几篇号称完全证明Kepler猜想的文章, 可惜不久就被著名数学家J.H.Conway, Toth, Hale等人指出其中存在着明显的漏洞。项老头子一听火了,在Math Intelligencer杂志上与Hales开始了针锋相对的论战。项还到处赠送自己关于Kepler猜想的证明,许多系实在推脱不了,只得收下两本,不禁令人想起图书馆里看到过的好多"民科"自费出版的歌德巴赫猜想的证明。糊涂的项老不是把精力放在检查和修补自己的证明上面,而是在国内有如民科般的行事,多次在国内的讲座上介绍他关于Kepler猜想的错误证明。

数学是来不得半点虚假的,Hales在1997年借助计算机,完全证明了Kepler猜想,得到公认,文章即将发表在Annals of Math上,Hales本人也在ICCM上作了45分钟报告。宣告项的Kepler梦想彻底破碎。

项武义的老哥项武忠曾被向来直言的丘批评过学问二流,所以当哥两听说丘田反目,当即成了田刚的铁杆拥趸。这不,项武义被北大请去开"基础数学讲座",宣扬"项氏改革",可惜听众寥寥。近日眼见田被丘批的难以招架,忙把自己的讲座变成了"批丘大会",这下引来学生无数,项老头子的口才又有了用武之地,好不风光。

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丁伟岳、项武义 炮轰 丘成桐 讲话实录

Tue, 2005-10-18 01:57 — yijun

北大教授丁伟岳项武义炮轰丘成桐讲话实录(zz)

时间:2005年10月14日
地点:北京大学数学学院
丁伟岳:北京大学数学学院教授,中科院院士
项武义:加州大学Berkely数学系教授,北京大学数学学院教授

主持人:今天在这里开一个座谈会,大家在网上看到了丘成桐的一些文章,同学们对这个事情比较关注,也需要了解事实真相和更深层次的东西,我们很荣幸的请到了丁伟岳院士和项武义教授,给大家就这个事情做介绍,首先我们热烈欢迎二位家宾的道理,首先请丁院士来给大家讲一讲。

丁伟岳:
我首先给大家介绍一下背景情况,因为这个事情大家可能不一定了解他的全过程,包括项先生,对这个事情的全过程并不见得很清楚.

我们注意到丘成桐教授开始对田刚院士进行攻击是在2004年的3月,他先是做了一次演讲,叫《我的数学之路》,其次又在中国科技交流奖大会上发表了一个演讲,这个演讲的题目叫《数学与科技》,都是在3月份出来的,然后他就开始在这两个演讲和访谈中开始影射了他以前的一个学生,而且是MIT的名教授等等,做了一些负面的批评,当时,一件事情就是说,他讲了这个东西还不算,还把它登到我们中科院数学所出版的的《数学译林》,这本杂志大家可能都知道,在我们图书馆里都有,如果你翻一翻2004年第2期,就可以看到这两片文章.

当时产生这个事情的背景是什么?是2004年3月,南京大学传出一些风声,说是田刚要去他们那儿做校长,然后就引发了丘成桐公开的言论,然后这个事情后面好象平静了一段时间,到了今年1月份又开始了新一轮在公开的报章和访谈上进行新一轮的攻击,这个后面也不是没有缘故的,这个直接的原因就是我们北京大学计划成立北京国际数学中心,由田刚来担任中心主任,这件事情被传出去了,实际上当时传出去的时候,中央已经原则上批准同意了这件事情,直到发改委到我们学校实地考察,建设费用究竟要多少时才公开化了,从而引来了第一次的攻击.

第一次我看到2005年 1月17日有一个叫《中华读书报》就发表了丘成桐的一个讲话,就讲到胡锦涛最近看到了杨乐,其中谈到要识别人才,他非常赞同,"我以前的一个学生在数学上是二流,到国内要拿高薪",等等,非常明显的一种东西.

然后到了6月份,有个《海峡时报》,不知道在国内还是在香港,有一个记者的访谈录,这次好象重心有点放到北大上,说北大如何如何打压兄弟院校,如何如何压制一些好的数学家不让他们出名,讲到现在已经快到后来的事了.

8月9日大家都比较清楚,比较靠近现在,在《北京科技报》又上发了一个访谈,又升了一级,不仅对北大做了很多攻击,而且对田刚教授做了人身攻击,牵扯到一个所谓抄他一篇文章的事情,所以我刚才从04年3月份讲到05年8月,我们北京大学数学学院,或者是我们北京大学的任何人,对他都没做任何回应,我们采取了相当克制的态度,希望这个事情能自生自灭,不要去惹其麻烦,到了《北京科技报》这种人生攻击的程度,好象有点忍无可忍,我们仍然很客气,然后我们的同学,以调查的形式,在我们北大未名的网上做了一个调查,大家好象也都看过,其中主要是对丘成桐教授讲的北大三件事情澄清了事实真相.

这三件事情好象大家都听说了,一件事情是说我们的学生到了哈佛很糟糕,最后退学了,确实有这么个事情,第二件事情说我们的老师不关心本科生,有个学生要去哈佛做他的学生,问了一下我们的老师,都不认识,所以不关心本科生,第三个事情是我们的一个博士,给他三次写信去要求到哈佛去访问,然后他说这个人的博士论文是一塌糊涂,一无是处,连香港大学的学士论文的水平都不够,就对这三件事情做了回应,这个后来呢,由于我们也向上面汇报了这个情况,所以他再在正规的报纸上刊登攻击言论就做不到了.

然后他又做了一个多月的准备,然后在9月29日在网上贴出了一篇更加有攻击性的访谈,以记者访谈的形式来发表的一系列言论,这个题目就叫《丘成桐院士澄清有关北大的某些事实真相》,记得不大清楚了,30日早上我起来一看我们的BBS,已经有人转载了,丘成桐他经常看BBS,我也经常看,我很吃惊啦,我们好不容易。。。把这个事情平息了,这个事情怎么又冒出来了,然后我去查了一下,这篇文章原始出处是在中科院一个博士家园的论坛上,然后很快被浙大的数学中心和晨新的数学中心,又很快被转载到国外的万维读者教育与学术上,这次的攻击不光是对田刚本人的人身攻击,还波及到我们数学院其他院士的头上,也是明显的人生攻击,当然这个事情我不愿意发生,我刚才说了,前两轮到是有背景的,那么这一轮也是有背景的,就是我们北大的国际数学中心被中央正式批准了!而丘成桐和科学院提交的呢--因为他们知道我们中心的事情,所以很快也提交了在科学院成立中心的报告,到了8月的时候,他们已经知道他们的这个没批准,而我们北大的批准了,所以是逐步升级的,都是有背景的,毛主席教导我们,这个世界上没有无援无故的恨,也没有无缘无故的爱,这是一个很好的事例,确实是有缘故,

当然,如果攻击里面有事实依据,我们虚心接受,我们应该改进的还是要认真改进,但是他说出的很多话都是带有腐蚀性的,你比如田刚的一切都是他给的,田刚得的这个奖,那个奖,以至于田刚在MIT教授的位置,都是他丘成桐的功劳,给青年人一个什么印象?你没个大老板,你怎么办呢?你做学问还有什么用呢,这就散布一种腐败的这种空气,对不对?你不知不觉就,因为我在网上也看到,说来说去还得有一个好的老板,这个大腕,或者叫大牛人,是不能得罪的,很多人得出这么一个结论。我觉得这个实际上是这个事情的可怕之处,他不知不觉就把那种腐败的空气散布到我们本来比较健康的环境当中来,

另外一件事情我是希望大家对北大还是要有坚定的信心,我是北大 67年毕业的,62年入学的,我进来以后受到很深的教育,就是说我的师长,我们大家的师长,都是诚诚实实的为人,兢兢业业地搞学术搞教育,一心扑在培育人才和为国家做科学研究上面,没有人,或者说几乎没有人,去搞歪门邪道,直到今天我觉得这还是北大数学学院的一个良好的传统,我们有这些好的前辈,许宝录,江泽涵,程民德,闵嗣鹤,啊,这些都是足以为万世师表的一些人,我觉得我们一定要把优良的传统传下去,不要因为有一些风吹草动,有一些不良的言论,就动摇我们对北京大学数学学院的信心,我们大家都应该在这个环境下继续安心的学习和专研,我们一定要培养更多的优秀人才,甚至不排除我们有超过丘成桐的人培养出来,这是我们最好的回答,所以我们一直不想去回答他,原因是我们相信事实胜于雄辩,我们要做好自己的工作,我先讲这么几点,请项先生再讲几点。

项武义:

第一个是讲丘成桐的批评我是一无所知,今天早上才拿到资料。因为丘成桐是加州大学Berkely的学生,所以给大家简单的介绍一下。

有一次陈先生从香港访问回来,在香港一个外国的教授对陈先生讲,我忘记了这个人的名字,跟陈先生介绍丘成桐,说丘成桐这个人不错,那时候他大概念大二刚念完,看来丘成桐不错,不就简单嘛,把他请到Berkely念书就行了,所以大二刚念完我们就给他奖学金到Berkely了,在Berkely毕业不毕业没什么关系,他做数学还是很用功的,陈对他也不断的非常照顾,总之我对丘成桐有蛮多的认识,但是丘成桐讲的话,我已经有先进的经验,丘成桐的话,是不屑一顾的,所以我今天很吃惊,有这么多的人为了丘成桐的话,跑到这里挤得水泄不通,对我来讲是这一件很吃惊的事情,

那么,所以今天,一个基本的态度,当一个人对你所在的北大,或者你认识的人,做一些批评或者攻击,当然这个世界上的批评各种各样,刚才丁先生讲了一些背景,我们不要管这些背景,这个批评粗略地分,有恶意和善意的,我们怎么对待,假如你一看这是个恶意的批评,从形式上可以看得出来的话,即使是恶意的批评,你也要反省一下,他讲得到不到点,假如他讲得到点,管它恶意善意,你要感谢这个批评的人,当然他恶意,不见得要当面去谢谢他,既然他讲的是对的,我为何不趁早改正,做自我完善,岂不好哉?假如他是恶意的批评,批评的东西完全也不到点,就是在胡说八道,肆言无忌的,蛮横无礼的讲一些话,那么简单的嘛,唯一的办法是置之不理,因为对存心要攻击你的人,你越解释越糊涂,反过来,假如这个人是善意的,他批评的到点,你要当面谢谢他,即使批评得不中肯,因为他是善意的,你要跟他解释,你是善意的,但是跟事实不符,这个是人情之常,所以我觉得这个是简单而基本的态度,那么这里面我的感觉,居然会有这么多人,为了丘成桐说一些胡说八道的话,坐在这里,还要关注这个事情,原因我想,你们不大了解什么是丘成桐,我给你讲一些非常简单的我自身的简单的经历,

总之这么说吧,大家认识他是因为他在华沙的Fields奖,当然他做了 K猜想,后来因此得了Fields奖,在得Fields奖之前他拍陈省身的马屁是不遗余力的,OK,这个有很多,我有很多他写给陈先生的信,陈先生都给我了,我这里都有副本,今天没带来,以后你们有兴趣,总有一天我要把它们公布的。那次华沙会议,他认为得了Fields以后,他一向认为陈省身是中国数学的霸主、皇帝,老皇帝老不死不行,应该下位,他现在得了Fields奖,就应该把位子给他,这是他的想法,我们现在听来都觉得是荒谬的思想,丘成桐就是这种思想的人,他在信里面就这样写的,所以那时候他就逼着陈先生把宝座让给他,尤其他得了华沙Fields奖之后,你看,他讲话你们还在那里听着他的东西,陈先生不听,所以他要攻击陈先生,要把他从老皇帝的位置拱下来,拱的办法,丘成桐的办法也不是有什么了不起的计谋,他的办法是蛮着来,他就是要说陈先生是崇洋媚外,怎么呢?今天又有简单的故事,今天大热天,你们坐在这里,就讲点故事吧!

这个故事是什么呢,因为大家都知道,有一段时间,李政道很热心,要想办法把中国年轻的人送到,就叫CUSPEA,有一天,只有物理孤掌难鸣,所以就想把数学拉过来,有一天就跑到陈先生那里,希望数学也参加类似的计划,有一天就来了,陈先生找我去一起跟李政道谈,总之谈了陈先生说那就好吧,就试试看吧,就建议,就写信,就有了国内称的陈省身计划,送研究生到美国去,跟 CUSPEA 不一样,陈先生是这样,是不大喜欢管闲事情的,他的事情能少管的就少管,无为而制的老先生,但是他关心中国年轻人的成长,所以他就建议美国数学协会来做这件事情,美国数学协会做的方法是,大概由中国数学会推荐或各个学校推荐,详细情形我记得不太清楚,美国就派了三个人,一个是Griefilds,一个是 RobotBrice,一个是MIT搞应用数学的,这三个人就到中国来面试学生,

丘成桐就想,为什么到大陆来不是他来主持呢,因为到中国来,怎么请个洋人来?应该请丘成桐来!而且最好只请丘成桐一个人,你讨我喜欢就行,你不讨我喜欢,就在你的屁股上蹬一脚,这是丘成桐最喜欢做的事情,而且做的事情要盖印,屁股上盖印,丘记!他没有得到这个机会,他就很不高兴。在华沙数学会上,丘成桐、萧荫堂和项武忠是做所谓一个钟头的报告,郑少元做45分钟的报告,所以四个人呢就讨论怎么样讨伐陈省身,就是因为陈省身崇洋媚外,于是就起草了一封信,这信里面最主要的这种事情为什么不找丘成桐,要找外国人?所以陈先生是崇洋媚外,是从八国联军之后是最厉害的一个,主要就这一句话,其他的懒得去记,这封信呢要四个人联名,当然有项武忠,

他们那天在项武忠的旅馆里面见面,这是项武忠后来跟我讲的,他们故意带了一瓶老酒,项武忠就喝醉了,我跟你们讲,不但喝醉了,还有一件事情,项武忠三个孩子中的一个女孩子,从小就得了腰子上的一种癌症,后来死掉了,托了很多人,其中一个人要故意造成项武忠对陈省身的敌忾统筹,说陈省身曾经讲过,你这个女儿得这种病,是前生来讨债的,这种话陈先生是否讲过,无法考证,即使讲过,也不是恶意的,但是那个阶段把这个话透出来了,项武忠一拍桌子,签了!所以那封信四个人是签了名字的,项武忠后来讲,那个信是签了名的,但是我现在后悔了,不要签!这是项武忠的话,有这么一封信,这封信呢,中文写的,也寄给Griefilds的,当然Griefilds看不懂中文,当时丁石孙在哈佛访问,就让丁石孙给他翻译,这是一件事情。

长话短说,我讲讲我的经历是什么呢?差不多那个前后的时间,我去加拿大访问,陈先生去哈佛、MIT、Brandis三个学校讲课,讲完之后萧荫堂就找到陈先生,要陈先生给美国数学协会写信,其中有个叫committee on committee,就是这个committee决定数学协会各个committee如何组成的,究竟派谁,那个人是Berkerly的Rofield Robinson的,Julia Robinson是他的太太,他们两个都是Berkely的教授,很好的数学家,他是committee on committee的成员,他们就逼迫陈先生写信给Robinson,要他把另外三个人免职,让丘成桐负责来中国考核学生这个事情,萧荫堂跟陈先生说有事情要跟他讲,陈先生说他一会要回他儿子BOSTON那里吃晚饭,你就一起来吃晚饭吧,吃晚饭的时候搞了一个钟头就逼陈省身低头就范,要不然那封信就在报纸上公开,所以写信上报这个事情是丘成桐的一贯作风,那个信不是攻击田刚,是攻击陈省身,因为他崇洋媚外,自从八国联军后以他为最,好了!陈先生不喜欢的听的话就朝天花板上看,陈太太在旁边气得要命,萧荫堂是不识时务的人,而且跟陈先生讲,丘成桐得了Fields奖,你不要敬酒不吃吃罚酒,就是这种讲法,而且是数学归纳法,不断的讲,讲了N次,好了,我们就把内幕讲出来。

我从加拿大访问回来,碰到田长霖,武义,你跑那去了?陈先生到处找你找不到,我说我去加拿大了,我回家就跟陈先生打了一个电话,陈在电话上把这件事情给我讲,几乎以哭泣的跟我讲,wo did I do, desever this?我对丘成桐这么好,陈先生对他好,比他儿子还好,好十倍,五十倍,how did i do?这个话他讲了五次,我听了,我就说你给我讲干啥?你应该打电话给丘成桐?陈先生觉得武义的话有道理,就把电话挂了,给丘成桐讲,打完以后,过了半个钟头,陈先生的电话又来了说我给丘成桐打了电话了,我问他怎么说了,他说丘成桐说,这个事情有,但是萧荫堂不应该告诉你,讲完以后没什么话好讲,怎么办呢,又不能挂电话,简单的办法就是骂项武义,他为什么要骂我呢,什么事情都有背景,因为那个时候在78年,我很不喜欢讲我自己,不得不讲讲。

丘成桐为什么他突然骂我,这个背景是这样的,我是第一次是73年回中国,我说要回北大做教授,我对中国关心,所以我去教授,所以我让陈先生给周培源写信,我要回北大做教授,我要回来看看,我到未名湖的临湖轩看周培源,那时候段学复做系主任,所以来了以后老段带着我去看周培源,周培源一看不等我讲话,就说我刚从井冈山考察回来,当年蒋介石把井冈山打下来的时候,有多么多么残暴,比如有一个故事,把一个老大娘抓来,把火钳弄热了以后,把石头给钳出来,诸如此类的,残忍得不得了。我就在旁边听,段学复就听得不耐烦,就说,周老啊,我又不是不懂事,你老讲这个事情干嘛呢?周不听,他继续讲,我于是就懂了,周培源要告诉我的是,项武义啊,这里切不可回来,所以我跟我太太讲,我们告辞吧。

总之这个完了以后就发现中国越来越来,那次到各个学校考察,发现都在搞教育革命,问怎么个搞法,说在摸索中,回去以后呢,就觉得这次去了还搞不清楚,怎么个摸法,就在那时,我向Berkely要求第一次半年的休假,就写信给数学所,要到中国访问半年,在中国呆半年看看究竟怎么回事,这信发出去石沉大海,没有回音,我这个半年的休假都在等这个信,等休假完了以后突然收到了一封信,就看,是吴文俊写的信,不过不是吴文俊写的,是他签的名,吴文俊莫名其妙的说你以后回来的机会总有的,也就是说你回来访问的机会并不是空集合,后来越看中国越乱,以后华国锋又上台了,我看了也不象样子,所以还不理,直到后来邓小平复出了,讲要四个现代化,我就想这个四个现代化是真的要搞,不是说说而已,因此我就跟我的太太说,在中国搞四个现代化这不是第一次,以前每次都失败了,船坚炮利,百日维新,都失败了,可是以前失败我们没有责任,因为那个时候我不存在,假如现在万一归纳法又失败了,又很难面对自己,但是中国乱,所以不能回来,因为回到北大不是回到中国,是回到某某党委的聘用之下,这个日子我过不了,所以我不回来了,

后来想想,不回来能否为中国做点事,我想了半天,至少可以给中国的青年写本书吧,在国外也可以写书,总之我又花了5日5夜,从头写起,写《微积分大义》,为什么不写李群写微积分,因为微积分有用,李群这个东西不那么有用,这个写法不参考任何现有文献,从原始写,慢慢写,写了以后把这本书寄个方毅,因为我知道寄给吴文俊,吴文俊也得送上去请示方毅,对不对,于是就寄给方毅,可是方毅到现在还没给我回信,方毅还欠我一封信!

长话短书,这封信寄出去石沉大海,有一天有个人给我打电话,说文汇报上有个消息,中国在开科学大会,有个crazy的事情,一个海外的作者寄书给中国,还热情洋溢的讲了一短话,是不是你?我说是我啊,因为那话是我写的啊,方毅总该给我回信吧?那时从4月到7月,我本来计划去丹麦,已经答应人家了,那天华盛顿了电话,说你申请回国的事情准了,我说我没申请啊,他说是中国教育部邀请你回去的,我说邀请的话另当别论,所以我对丹麦说不来了,我就回中国了,就在清华半圆形的讲堂讲了一个礼拜,他们认为我写微积分大义,一定是教微积分的专家,就把中国很多教务老师都请过去听,那我就讲呗,总之在那段时间北京是弥漫着所谓要搞四个现代化的兴奋,春天的气息,我就受到感染,就觉得中学的数学教育是很要紧的,中国最大的财富是人口,人口大国当之无愧,人只回生孩子吃饭不行啊,人要变成国力,得提高素质,所以我那个时候要求见蒋南翔,

那个时候蒋南翔还不是教育部长,是内定的教育部长,那个谈话谈了一阵子以后,我就回来搞中学数学,要注意,中国把我不当自己人,我是外人,我在这里总有个人跟着我,报告我在做什么事,后来就把我当半个自己人,因为有些事情发现,我去讲可能更有效,于是就安排我去见胡耀邦,就第一次见了胡耀邦,见他的时候过了半个钟头就有个人来端茶,意思是时间到了,胡耀邦挥手,我还要谈,就把他赶走了,几次挥手之后,就谈教育问题,一直谈了两个多小时,胡耀邦一心向国,重视教育,于是我们谈得很投机,回到北京饭店后,又整理讲稿,后来又见了胡耀邦几次,有次是蒋南翔跟着去见的,胡耀邦是急性式的,他突然讲,我要请你做整个中国数学教育的总顾问,我呢也不把这个事情当真,总顾问也没有什么聘书,对不对,接下来,蒋南翔就在接见一个中学教师的会议上宣布了这个事情,这就是丘成桐要攻击项武义的原因,你项武义怎么能做这个事情呢?

他说陈先生讲,他骂你啊,骂了足足半个钟头,就骂你,我说我在中国做什么事情,陈先生根本一无所知,所以丘成桐的攻击,你能当真吗?他根本不知道我在中国做了什么,就因为总书记要让我当总顾问,这总顾问是他应该做的,怎么你能做呢?就要攻击了,人身攻击了,说了很多莫名其妙的话,我就打电话给丘成桐,说我在中国做什么事情你根本不知道,你就瞎骂一气,你跟陈省身的纠葛就自己去纠葛,别罗嗦,你给我滚得远远的!丘成桐这个人你要知道,是死缠烂打绝不放弃的,所以他骂北大,你不要吃惊,过几个月又来了,他这个做法,是做数学归纳法,继续还要骂,那么他怎么办呢?我说你怎么知道,他就回中国来,考察项武义做过什么,他的办法很简单,就找跟项武义做中学数学教育编写组的那些人,要调查项武义的事情,最好是找我的黑资料,数学所有个X,参加我的编写组,主要是要我帮他出国访问,我根本不理!丘成桐来了,就找X,一上来,就说项武义怎么怎么,说我可以让你到国外访问,你只要把项武义的黑资料抖出来就行了,这个东西是一手交钱一手交货的,那么X就讲了一句话,他说项武义的这个书啊,是错得匪夷所思,他说这个指数函数的定义,用到了一个函数在一个游离点连续的话,就在全部连续了!丘成桐一听,就说,你不要胡来,项武义的数学没那么差!后来果然,虽然如此,丘成桐说话还是算数,就把那个人请到San Diego访问去了,这就是丘成桐!

OK,好了,他要攻击我,所以那段时间他就攻击我,还有一个事情。讲完故事就可以散会,讲完故事你就知道丘成桐是什么人,是怎么回事,就不屑一故,可以厌而远之。

接下来,又有一次,在印度开亚运会,中国第一次参加,得了金牌数不胜数,陈先生就很兴奋,就说武义你看得了这么多金牌,中国还是行,我就跟陈先生讲,这个东西,中国人这么多,选拔选拔,加一个集训不就行了,数学其实也可以集训嘛,陈先生觉得这个是好主意,陈先生这个人比较懒,于是项武义执笔,写信给教育部长做一个暑期班,我那个时候跟教育部常有来往,于是做第一届数学班,接着暑假就回来,住在北京饭店,跟吴文俊、程民德、还有龚升,那个时候北大没有漂亮房子,破房子没地方,于是一开会就跑到我北京饭店的房间,加几把椅子,就坐在床上开会讨论,我就说我们先选讲拿些科目,然后在全世界的范围找最好最合适的人来讲,国内好就选国内的,国外好的就选国外的,那个时候龚升就死洋怪气的吭一声,他说你呀,你不懂中国国庆,第一次都从国外选,你要从国内选,我们自己国内还打破头呢,程民德老先生就讲,龚升讲的话还是有几分道理的,吴文俊一声不吭,嘿嘿嘿在那儿笑,

于是就觉得第一次全部从国外选,第一次选了六门课,在北大,包括多复变,当然选了萧荫堂,不晓得怎样,丘成桐得到消息,说项武义决定都从国外请不从国内请!丘成桐骂人的一个老招,数学归纳法,项武义崇洋媚外,八国联军之后第一名是陈省身,第二名是项武义,这个事情他明明知道不是项武义讲的,因为是龚升的意见嘛,他要找一个资料,于是他就命令陆启铿,那个时候陆启铿是他的马仔,要陆启铿去找龚升,要龚升指证是项武义决定的,所以项武义崇洋媚外,于是陆启铿就摇个椅子跑到龚升家去了。我就把龚升叫来了,对不对,龚升跑来跟我讲,陆启铿跑到龚升家里怎么讲的?是不是项武义决定的?龚升不敢承认,丘成桐太可怕了,龚升做什么事呢,他说让我看看那天的日记,看完日记后就说那天日记上没写,陆启铿如获至宝,马上打长途电话给丘成桐,丘成桐马上打电话给萧荫堂,然后呢,就是项武义崇洋媚外,萧荫堂就跑来跟我讲,丘成桐是不好得罪的,我就在中间做经纪人,Broker,香港人喜欢用英文,使得你们两个人谈和,我就对他讲,你回去告诉丘成桐,项武义对他厌而远之,少罗嗦,我随时把龚升叫来,当时有人嘛,把吴文俊,程民德找来对质嘛,龚升就给我猛磕头,猛道歉,我看龚升也很可怜,就放了他一马,从此以后呢,我就对丘成桐厌而远之,

故事讲完了,以后还有很多很多东西,要多讲。丘成桐就是这个东西。丘成桐讲话就是这样,说老实话,他为什么老骂人家崇洋媚外,因为他是骨子里崇洋媚外的人,他跟中国人讲话音调是一个,跟外国人讲话音调变,不一样的,白种人就不一样,这是香港训练出来的这种殖民地出来的一种病态,所以他一辈子里脑子里要称霸,需要陈省身的时候,可以舔陈省身的屁股,觉得的,用信来舔,用白纸黑字来舔,不需要的时候,不要陈省身,他们两个人的恩恩怨怨就在茅厕里,现在呢,他要说是陈声身的当然继承人,比如有一次,调查项武义的黑资料,严济慈请他吃饭,他就拒绝承认是陈省身的学生,严济慈就跟他讲,吾爱吾师,更爱真理,严济慈是反话,丘成桐反而认为是夸他,陈省身和丘成桐之间有一些信在我那里。没有一点添油加醋,丘成桐这个人有了数学就有了权力,权力是他最向往的事情,他呢在任何地方就要称王称霸,你不听他的话就一脚踩死,国内假如有不正之风,我想是有的,这里面很大的源头,就是丘成桐(完)。

Tue, 2005-10-18 02:28 — yijun

丘田之间的水好深啊!

项武义是非常值得信赖的古道中人,上面的发言确实应该是根据录音整理的实录,听过好多次他的讲座,风采栩然眼前。
很小就见过项先生专门为小学生、中学生编写的数学书,真是很好的数学书,那是真正的爱国爱民,不是飞来飞去到处挂虚名的人可比的。
另外项先生做数学的气质挺好的,遥想而憾叹。

Tue, 2005-10-18 22:07 — wuzhideren

。。。。。。

虽然压根不明白这里面的事情,不过我被这番演讲的气势说服了,OK,丘成桐是个坏蛋!哎,咋从来没听说过老外斗的这么厉害过呢,啥陈芝麻烂谷子都抖出来了,丢人啊。中国人就是好斗,难怪老毛说:与人斗其乐无穷呢。聪明人搂一块,是最难成事的,这在中国,也快成金科玉律了。

Thu, 2005-10-20 11:44 — yijun

蕭蔭堂:讀項武義先生北大講話記錄後

蕭蔭堂:讀項武義先生北大講話記錄後

送交者: siuyt 2005年10月18日12:47:22 于 [教育与学术]http://www.bbsland.com

http://www.math.harvard.edu/~siu/after_reading_xiang_wuyis_speech/

讀項武義先生北大講話記錄後

蕭蔭堂 二零零五年十月十七日

蒙友人告知 , 項武義先生北大講話記錄 , 有涉及我者。

年代久遠 , 非當事人 , 輾轉相傳 , 偶有失誤 , 在所難免。

述及陳省身先生之事 , 實兩事混雜。

事一。

華羅庚先生一九八零年籌備在杭州之國際多復變函數論會議 , 因改革初期國內與外界通訊來往需時 , 矚我代為邀請國外學者與會。其時旅費需國外與會者自籌。若美國科學院同意列該會議為交流項目 , 則申請旅費程序大為簡。陳省身先生成就見識 , 中外共仰。 我為此事 , 數度拜訪 , 請益求教。陳先生對後學提攜有加 , 盛情筵宴款待。此事是在一九八三年華沙國際數學家大會之前數年。

事二。 一九八三年夏天 , 為美國數學會擬成立委員會赴華招生事 , 丘成桐先生建議由國內數學家辦理甄選。丘先生自擬一信 , 致國內中央教育領導。未發信前 , 丘先生先徵詢國外華裔數學家意見。 其時主其事者乃我在哈佛同事 Griffiths。 我收丘先生信稿後 , 認為此事不應勞煩國內中央教育領導 , 遂直接求教于 Griffiths。 Griffiths 不諳漢語﹐矚代為翻譯。下列丘先生手寫信稿及我手寫翻譯覆印本。該信從未發出 , 亦無任何人簽署。其後 Griffiths 與丘先生接受美國數學會委任 , 同為委員會主席 , 邀蘇步青 , 華羅庚 , 吳文俊 , 程民德 , 陸啟鏗 , 嚴志達 諸先生共襄其事。下列 Griffiths 與丘先生聯名致教育部長何東昌先生信件覆印本。

閱項先生講話記錄時 , 見教育園地網站海內外華裔數學家互揭短攻訐。意氣言辭 , 令人痛心疾首。

警惕針砭 , 有則改之 , 無則加勉。

鶴蚌相爭 , 獲利者誰 ? 藺廉敦睦 , 國得佐弼。

冀諸同寅 , 專業登峰造極外 , 言教身教 , 悉為後學表率 , 則中國數學界之大幸。是厚望焉﹗

丘先生手寫信稿覆印本

我手寫翻譯覆印本

Griffiths 與丘先生聯名致教育部長何東昌先生信件覆印本

Thu, 2005-10-20 11:47 — yijun

丘成桐的信稿

丘老的信稿(电子版, 没校对).

送交者: catchyou 2005年10月18日14:59:30 于 [教育与学术]http://www.bbsland.com

我们是一群在美国的数学工作者, 我们对祖国的数学发展至为关心.
希望对中美数学交流提出一些意见, 给中国参考.

今日中国数学的前途与今日青年学生的教育和出路有着密切的关系, 因为
历来数学的重要发现都是在数学家年青时达成的. 所以我们最是关心中国
留学生的选学问题. 近年来由於中国鼓励四化, 文革时的敝习已逐渐消除.
中国大学毕业生的质素, 已达到世界先进国家的水平, 所以很多外国大学亟
欲与中国各大学建立某种关系, 以期收取最出色的研究生. 我们认为中国
与外国建立此程关系时, 要采取极为审慎的态度.

以下我们分类讨论我们的意见.

一. 中国选派留学的学生, 都是全国的精英. 选派的过程中, 如有差错, 则
中国会蒙受极大的损失. 所以我们认为这种选派过程不能只依赖于少数
的数学家.

现在数学发展, 极为发达. 数学家中能通晓两科专业以上的实在很少, 而数
学专业又何止二三十门. 即使数学家有通才, 而又有精力的, 亦不能确知
他们可以概知中美各大学的状况.

二. 近闻美国数学学会成立委员会, 每年到中国考取中国留学生. 我们对
此有强烈的意见.

我们认为这种做法会严重影响中国学生的意识形态. 在中国历史上, 这是
绝无仅有的. 即使用庚子赔款派选学生, 也是中国自行决定的. 在今日世界
形势而言, 即使第三世界也没有由美国人来决定留学生前途的. 我们不反对
美国友人来帮忙中国, 可是我们反对美国人来作主. 中国年青人要自己站起来,
要建立自己的数学天地, 不能仰赖于外人的恩惠. 我们以为中国的主权是神圣的,
不能受到侵犯. 希望中国当局考虑.

三. 外国人对中国科技的发展并无道义上的责任, 即使一时热情, 也容易冷却. 况
且他们身在外国, 假如事情弄得不好, 中国亦无从追究责任.

四. 其实美国数学学会对美国各大学并无任何权力. 一般而言, 美国各大学数学系
有全权来决定其本校收取学生的整个过程, 所以中国留学生由美国数学学会
选派, 反而增加了一程手续, 而损失了各大学收取中国学生的灵活性.

五. 现在美国各大学都普遍缺乏优秀的数学研究生, 故此对收取中国留学生都大有
兴趣. 最近数年来美国各著名大学例如伯克利, 斯坦福, 哈佛, 普林斯顿, 哥伦比
亚, 纽约州立大学等都大量收取中国留学生. 一般而言, 他们都很满意中国留学生
的表现. 因为有先例可援, 中国只要能维持留学生的素质, 同时能按时派送
留学生, 各大学会继续收取中国留学生. 况且这几年来中国派出不少访问学者,

他们在国外都很受欢迎, 并且建立了一定的信誉. 一般而言, 他们在数学上的成就
亦逐渐受到重视, 他们替留学生写的推荐信会起很大作用.

基於以上观点, 我们建议, 中国不采取任何由外人来统一办理的方法来处理中国到
美国的事情. 如必不得以, 中国要与外人建立某种程度关系, 我们建议外人的意见
只能供给中国学生参考, 中国学生的统一笔试和口试非由中国本国的数学家办理不
可. 我们以为中国留学生如能自行决定申请大学, 更能争取灵活性而
得到最大的效果. 我们希望中国当局会考虑我们的建议.

http://www.math.harvard.edu/~siu/after_reading_xiang_wuyis_speech

Thu, 2005-10-20 11:55 — yijun

丘成桐-田刚北大大争第五回合:美国科学院院

丘成桐-田刚北大大争第五回合热烈:美国科学院院士、哈佛教授蕭蔭堂出场

东风吹,争鼓雷,现在华人数学界不做研究转业打擂台,还拱出洋人来了

第四回:丘派得分计数:3-1=2
第四合:田刚/北大得分计数:1-2= minus 1

第一回:丘成桐院士接受《北京科技报》采访, 不点名批评田刚北大
代表性事件: \\"丘成桐:中国目前教育不可能出一流人才\\"
http://www.edu.cn/20050819/3147428.shtml

第一合:北大组织人马写了一篇"答辩状"
代表性事件: \\"丘成桐炮轰\\"一文真相调查
http://www.sciei.com/Article/fund/old/200508/Article_1066.html

第二回:丘成桐2005年9月29日在浙江大学和中科院数学网站上公开批评田刚贪婪、剽窃,批评北大学风不正。
代表性事件: \\"丘成桐院士澄清有关北大的某些事实真相\\"
http://www1.bbsland.com/education/messages/239720.html
第二合:田/北大派匿名攻击丘成桐。
代表性事件:
第三回:丘成桐的学生和合作者、知情人公开在网上发布澄清事实的文字。在对方匿名攻击丘的几个重要事情上,看来丘成桐在理。斯坦福大学教授李骏、复旦大学教授洪家兴院士、香港数学会前主席、中国科大教授,约十人出面。
代表性事件:
我所知道的一件事 李骏
http://www1.bbsland.com/education/messages/240944.html
还我一片安宁 -- 洪家兴
http://www1.bbsland.com/education/messages/241321.html
曹怀东,郑方阳,李骏,季立真,刘克峰的声明
http://www1.bbsland.com/education/messages/241377.html
胡森声明,
http://www1.bbsland.com/education/messages/241453.html

第三合:田刚/北大派开始公开和半公开回应。田刚前学生安金鹏公开说明一个网上攻击田刚的问题(注意:不是丘成桐攻击田刚的问题)。田刚合作者加州大学圣它科路滋分校教授庆杰间接出面说明他和田刚的论文没有剽窃丘成桐(这是回应了丘成桐的一个大指控)。本中立观察员早就认定,以前公开的资料就能说明丘成桐在这一点上冤枉了田刚。从两个说明的问题来看,其他人(丘成桐、网上匿名分子)有些事情也冤枉了田刚。
代表性事件:
安金鹏: 关于田刚老师和我的一件事的说明
http://www1.bbsland.com/education/messages/243251.html
sgy转 庆杰和田刚的澄清说明
http://www1.bbsland.com/education/messages/243429.html

第四回:丘成桐在中科院网站回应网上对他的攻击,并将自己对田刚和北大的指控简单化。
代表性事件: 丘成桐,声明
香港数学会前主席郑绍远先生声明
http://www1.bbsland.com/education/messages/243113.html

第四合:2005年10月14日,北京大学数学学海?
北京大学数学学院教授,中科院院士丁伟岳指控丘成桐批北大、批田刚是因为丘成桐主持的中科院晨星数学中心和北大竞争国家数学中心。
加州大学Berkely数学系退休教授,北京大学数学学院教授项武义指控丘成桐从来就要做霸王,对自己的老师陈省身不孝。
http://www1.bbsland.com/education/messages/244332.html
北大教授丁伟岳项武义炮轰丘成桐讲话实录

第四回合得分总结:
丘派2分是李骏、洪家兴等澄清事件得一分,郑绍远声明澄清事件得一分,丘成桐用自己的名字指出国内学风问题,得1分,,可是从北大反指控老看,丘成桐做人还是有毛病,负0.5分,丘成桐夸大的田刚/庆杰的论文是剽窃,负0.5分。
北大是安金鹏为田刚说明一个事件得0.5分(因为不是丘成桐指控的事件,所以不是一分,是网上攻击田刚的旁支)
sgy为田刚/庆杰澄清丘成桐的抄袭指控,得0.5分,因为sgy不用自己的真名、不用自己的数学家资历来明确作证,所以没有得一分,何况这事情比较明显是丘成桐过分了。

北大、田刚(匿名)只攻击丘,对自己的问题一个不谈,专门抹黑对手,北大还正式开大会来抹黑对手,负0.5分这种做法,负一分

北大丁伟岳自我承认再次向中国行政上级禁止丘成桐在中国媒体出现,这样的政治手腕,完全败坏了北大民主传统,负一分
所以北大总分负一分。

第五回:
第一场:
丘派拿出洋人对田刚的批评:加州大学Santa Cruz分校数学教授Andrey Todorov说Princeton的Nadal说田刚是个很不诚实的人(very dishonest person),同时说田刚看过Andrey Todorov自己的论文预印本,意思是帮了田刚加入Andrey Todorov的研究(现在叫Tian-Todorov)

Andrey Todorov评价田刚是能干的数学家,但是说Kazdan认为田刚一生证明的东西都是预料到的

事件
http://www1.bbsland.com/education/messages/244618.html

第二场:二零零五年十月十七日
美国科学院院士、哈佛教授蕭蔭堂出场说明加州大学Berkely数学系退休教授项武义将事情混淆起来。项武义说丘成桐在83年波兰数学大会曾经联署签名要陈省身交出选拔中国留学生的权,还骂陈省身把中国学生的选拔权交给美国人是卖国,萧荫堂说波兰会议上没有讲留学生选拔的事情,丘成桐要求中国国内的参加留学生选拔,没有联名信,萧在哈佛数学系网站贴上当年丘成桐给中国教育部长的信等三个复印件。

事件:讀項武義先生北大講話記錄後
http://www.math.harvard.edu/~siu/after_reading_xiang_wuyis_speech/

从几个附件看,丘成桐的确有控制中国留学生选拔的意愿,不过这不是什么缺点。当年没几个华人数学家,让丘成桐去中国选拔学生,没什么错。不过这个事情,也不给丘成桐得什么分。

如果萧荫堂出面证明田刚剽窃,那对整个事件有影响。现在萧荫堂没谈剽窃的事情。

大家拭目以待。
谩骂者请歇着,让专家们文斗,大家不要看你们的匿名武斗了。
相信群众眼睛是雪亮的。

Mon, 2005-10-24 12:44 — yijun

丘成桐指责田刚"抄袭"一案之实证分析

丘成桐指责田刚"抄袭"一案之实证分析

送交者: 实证分析 2005年10月22日16:40:45 于 [教育与学术]http://www.bbslan
d.com

丘成桐指责田刚"抄袭"一案之实证分析

近来关于丘成桐先生公布萧荫堂先生1986年的信,并以此指证田刚有"抄袭"嫌

疑之事,引起了广泛关注。我们认为,在任何有争议的案例中,当事人的说法都

是不足为据的,而与各方当事人无利益关系的他人的看法和在争议之前已经发生

的事实才是最可靠的。为此我们搜集了若干这样的事实并加以分析,供大家做客

观的判断时参考。

1.田刚的文章发表在Invent Math 89 (1987) 225-246, 萧荫堂先生的文章发表

在Annals of Math 127 (1988) 585-627。萧先生的文章最后特意增加了一段话

(p.622),主要是说:他这篇文章的结果和方法曾在1986年4月于哥伦比亚大学

的几何分析会议上报告过,而田刚的文章中用了一些与他的文章相同的思想,主

要是:(a)在复曲线上的限制;(b)复曲线上格林函数的对数奇性;(c)利用

了对称性。萧先生也比较了两篇文章的不同之处。但从前一段话看出,他似乎还

是怀疑田刚偷了他的思想。我们对此的看法是:按萧先生自己的说法,田刚有可

能抄他思想的3点其实都是技术性而非实质性的,特别是:(b)是连研究生都熟

知的,关于(c)萧先生自己说也是受到Moser的工作的启发。而(a)很难说是问

题的关键。这样看来,说田刚抄袭萧先生的思想理由似乎不够充分。

2.萧先生在比较两篇文章的不同时,指出田文在导出最关键的零阶估计时用了一

个积分不等式,而萧文则是用了比较函数极小值与极大值的不等式。萧先生还指

出田文中应用L^2估计是不必要的。其后,萧先生用了近4页的篇幅举例说明,

他也可以用积分不等式导出零阶估计。这说明,在一个关键的地方,两个人的思

路并不相同。

3.现在事情已经过去了近20年,对于两篇文章的引用和评价很容易从美国数学会

的MathSciNet上查到。MathSciNet对每一篇文章公布两种引用情况,一种是

eference Citation, 包含其它文章对本文的引用情况;另一种是Review

Citation, 包含评论员在评论其它文章时对本文引用的情况。第一种引用的数字

是:田文被引26次,萧文被引20次(均只计他人引用),差别不算大。第二种引

用的数字是:田文被引12次,萧文被引2次,差距较大。真正的差距还不在数

量,而在引用的质量。萧文的2次被引,评论员均未提及肖先生的方法。而在田文

的12次引用中,有8次评论员提到了田文的方法,特别是田刚在该文中定义的一个

不变量(alpha不变量)。例如 "The proof consists in the computation,

for such manifolds, of a lower bound for Tian's invariant introduced

in a 1987 paper。" (见MR1198752的评论)

4.从以上事实来看,我们认为在第2点中所述二文的不同应是实质性的,后人对

二文不同的评价实由此而产生。所谓的alpha不变量是应用积分不等式导出零阶估

计时,起关键作用的一个量。萧先生当时似未注意到它的重要性。

如果以上的分析成立,那么所谓"抄袭"之说不攻自破。我们要指出,萧先生从

未明确说田刚是"抄袭",他当时只是表示了怀疑。而且他在写两封现在被公开

的信时,还没有看过田刚写的文章。

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Accessing the Internet by E-mail FAQ


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Accessing the Internet by E-mail FAQ

There are reader questions on this topic!
Help others by sharing your knowledge

Message-ID: <internet-services/access-via-email_1084363323@rtfm.mit.edu>
X-Last-Updated: 2002/04/16
From: Gerald E. Boyd < gboyd@expita.com>
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services , alt.online-service, alt.bbs.internet,
comp.mail.misc, news.newusers.questions
Subject: Accessing the Internet by E-mail FAQ
Summary: This guide will show you how to explore the World Wide Web,
retrieve files from FTP sites, and even access Usenet
newsgroups using E-MAIL AS YOUR ONLY TOOL.
Date: 12 May 2004 12:03:01 GMT

Archive-name: internet-services/access-via-email
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 2002/04/04
Version: 10.2

+--------------------------------------------------+
| Accessing The Internet By E-mail |
| Guide to Offline Internet Access |
| Version 10.2 - April 04, 2002 |
+--------------------------------------------------+

Copyright (c) 1999-2002, Gerald E. Boyd
gboyd@expita.com

All rights reserved. Permission is granted to duplicate and
distribute copies of this document provided the copyright
notice and this permission notice are preserved on all copies.


A Brief History
---------------

Accessing The Internet By E-mail or originally known as "Doctor Bob's
Guide to Offline Internet Access" was the brainchild of Bob Rankin (a
great net guy) who started it up in 1994. He kept it up about 5 years
before passing it to me in January 1999, when it became apparent he was
too busy with other projects (Internet Tourbus, writing, etc.) to
continue maintaining it.

In October 1997 I had taken over the moderator duties of the ACCMAIL
mailing list (which is used to further develop ideas expressed in this
FAQ) and started a web page based on this FAQ. I guess he figured I was
the logical person to take over the FAQ. Hmmm!

So there you go.


How to Access Internet Services by E-mail
-----------------------------------------

If you don't have direct access to the Internet through your BBS or
online service, you're not alone. Many of the world's countries with
Internet connections have only e-mail access to this world-wide network
of networks.

But if you think that sounds limiting, read on. You can access almost
any Internet resource using e-mail. Maybe you've heard of FTP, Gopher,
Jughead, Usenet, Finger, Whois, Nslookup, Traceroute, and the World-Wide
Web but thought they were out of your reach because you don't have a
direct connection.

Not so! You can use simple e-mail commands to do all of this and much
more on the Internet. And even if you do have full Internet access,
using e-mail services can save you time and money. If you can send a
note to an Internet address, you're in the game.

I encourage you to read this entire document first and then go back and
try out the techniques that are covered. This way, you will gain a
broader perspective of the information resources that are available, an
introduction to the tools you can work with, and the best methods for
finding the information you want.


Recent Changes To This Document
-------------------------------

10.2 web2mail signup address changed,ISPs be e-mail web page changed,
Webster dictionary lookup address changed,
ADD PDF CONVERSIONS BY EMAIL,
wwwfmail_pro@wwwfetch.com DEFUNCT, jiscmail address change,
translate@leo.org (German - English translation service) DEFUNCT
mailandnews.com DEFUNCT as of 28Feb02,
query@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov DEFUNCT as of 15Apr02,
Revised FTP upload by e-mail help addresses,
Geocities mirror DEFUNCT
10.1 revised finger; coke@cs.cmu.edu and copi@oddjob.uchicago.edu
DEFUNCT, revised GAMES BY EMAIL win@yoyo.com DEFUNCT,
added NUMBER SEQUENCES. MICROSOFT KNOWLEDGE BASE defunct by
e-mail methods Mar01, mail2news@zedz.net now mail2news@dizum.com,
GENE SPLICING AND SEQUENCE ANALYSIS via grail@ornl.gov DEFUNCT,
BABEL revised retrieval intructions
grabpage.com is now grabpage.org

Finding the Latest Version
--------------------------

This document is now available from several automated mail servers.
To get the latest edition, send e-mail to one of the addresses below.

To: mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu (for US, Canada & South America)
Enter only this line in the BODY of the note:
send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email

To: jiscmail@jiscmail.ac.uk (for Europe, Asia, etc.)
Enter only this line in the BODY of the note:
get lis-iis\e-access-inet.txt

You can also use this autoresponder address, send blank e-mail
To: accmail-faq@expita.com

You can also get the file by anonymous FTP at one of these sites:

Site: rtfm.mit.edu
get pub/usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email
Site: ftp.mailbase.ac.uk
get pub/lists/lis-iis/files/e- access-inet.txt

Or on he Web in HTML format at:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/internet-services/access-via-email/

Much of the material in this FAQ is covered in more detail on the
following web pages:
http://www.expita.com/howto1.html
http://www.expita.com/howto2.html
http://www.expita.com/howto3.html


Before You Write...
-------------------

Please make sure you have the latest version of this guide before
writing to the author with questions and updates. Don't give up too
quickly on the busy e-mail servers, and if you get an error message, try
your request again on a different day or time. If you'd like to keep up
with the latest updates and announcements of new versions, send the
command:

SUBSCRIBE ACCMAIL Firstname Lastname

in the BODY of a message to the address " LISTSERV@LISTSERV.AOL.COM". In
fact, the ACCMAIL list is a great place to ask any questions you have
about this guide. You're likely to get a quicker response from one of
the list subscribers, because the author gets several hundred messages
per day!


Other Translations of This Document
-----------------------------------

Several readers have graciously volunteered to translate this text into
languages other than English. Please contact the author if you would
like to assist in the translation of this document into another
language. The list below shows the status of the translation work that
has been done or is in progress. To obtain any of the completed texts,
send e-mail

To: accmail.xx@expita.com (autoresponder address)
(where "xx" is the country as shown below)

NOTE: All translations earlier than Version 8 have been deleted due
to them being too far out of date.

Translation Filename Translation Filename
----------------------- ---------- ----------------------- ----------
Chinese GB (8th Ed.) accmail.gb Italian (8th Ed.) accmail.it
Dutch (8th Ed.) accmail.nl Romanian (8th Ed.) accmail.ro
Farsi (8th Ed.) accmail.ir Russian (10th Ed.) accmail.ru
German (9th Ed.) accmail.de Spanish (8th Ed.) accmail.sp
Hungarian (10th Ed.) accmail.hu Swedish (9th Ed.) accmail.se
Indonesian (8th Ed.) accmail.id Urdu (8th Ed.) accmail.pk

NOTE: Your "accmail.xx@expita.com" request MUST be in the ADDRESS line!


Acknowledgements
----------------

This document is continually expanding and improving as a result of the
daily flood of comments and questions received by the author. The
following individuals are hereby recognized for their work in
translating "Accessing" to various languages. (If I forgot anyone, let
me know and I'll gladly add you to the list.)

Bulgarian - Kolcho Kovachev Italian - cromatis@ecn.org
Catalan - Ricard Forner Japanese - Komatsu Toshiki
Chinese Big5 - Ju-En Teng Lithuanian - Darius Matuliauskas
Chinese GB - Li Ying Norwegian - Vidar Sarvik
Croatian - Zvonko Springer Polish - Ewa Poskrobko
Croatian - Nikola Borojevic Polish - Krzysztof Buniewicz
Czech - Martin Slunecko Portuguese - Joao Neves
Danish - Christian Schou Romanian - Mihai Jalobeanu
Dutch - Berry Van Hombeeck Russian - Sergey Ivanov
Esperanto - Martin Weichert Serbian - Brankica Kranjac
Farsi - Mansour Dehestani Monfared Serbian - Ivan Stamenkovic
Farsi - Zahra Sheik Slovakian - Stanislav Ponca
Finnish - Paavo Juntunen Somali - Yassin Ismail Ali
French - Pierre Couillard Spanish - Bellanet Org
German - Marc Loehrwald Swedish - Staffan S�ve
Greek - Grigoris Miliaresis Thai - Boonyakiat Saengwan
Hebrew - Ron Barak Ukranian - Dmitry V. Bisikalo
Hungarian - Lajos Toldy Urdu - M. Shahid Khaki
Indonesian - Yohanes Nugroho


A Short Aside... "What is the Internet?"
----------------------------------------

If you're the type that wants to skip the preliminaries and just dig in,
you've come to the right place. I'm not going to bore you with
details. Instead, I'll just offer up my simple condensed definition of
the Internet, and encourage you to find out more as you gain skill at
using the tools described herein.

Internet (noun) - A world-wide collection of computer networks,
connecting government, military, educational and commercial
institutions, as well as private citizens to a wide range of computer
services, resources, data and information. A set of network conventions
and common tools are employed to give the appearance of a single large
network, even though the computers that are linked together use many
different hardware and software platforms.


The Rules of The Game
---------------------

This document is meant to be both tutorial and practical, so there are
lots of actual commands and internet addresses listed herein. You'll
notice that when these are included in the text they are indented by
several spaces for clarity. Don't include the leading spaces when you
try these commands on your own!

You'll also see things like "<file>" or "<name>" appearing in this
document. Think of these as place holders or variables which must be
replaced with an appropriate value. Do NOT include the quotes or
brackets in your value unless specifically directed to do so.

Most e-mail servers understand only a small set of commands and are not
very forgiving if you deviate from what they expect. So include ONLY
the specified commands in the Subject or body of your note, leaving off
any extraneous lines such as your signature, etc.

Unless otherwise specified, you can leave the Subject and/or body of the
note empty. If your mail software insists on a Subject or body, just
type "XYZZY" or something equally non-sensical.

You should also ensure that you have one blank line between the note
headers and the body of your note. And do pay attention to upper/lower
case in directory and file names when using e-mail servers. It's almost
always important.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
SPECIAL NOTE: The e-mail servers listed in this guide are for the most
part operated by kind-hearted volunteers at companies or universities.
If you abuse (or over-use) the servers, there's a very good chance they
will be shut down permanently. This actually happened to several of the
e-mail servers recently, so treat them with respect.

If you have direct Internet access, let others who are less fortunate
use the e-mail servers. Try to limit your data transfers to one
megabyte per day. Don't swamp the servers with many requests at a
time.
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*


FTP BY EMAIL
------------

FTP stands for "file transfer protocol", and is a means of accessing
files that are stored on remote computer systems (sites). Files at FTP
sites are typically stored in a tree-like set of directories (or nested
folders for Mac fans), each of which pertains to a different subject.

When visiting an FTP site using a "live" internet connection, one would
specify the name of the site, login with a userid & password, navigate
to the desired directory and select one or more files to be transferred
back to their local system.

Using FTP by e-mail is very similar, except that the desired site is
reached through a special "ftpmail server" which logs in to the remote
site and returns the requested files to you in response to a set of
commands in an e-mail message.

Using FTP by e-mail can be nice even for those with full Internet
access, because some popular FTP sites are heavily loaded and
interactive response can be very sluggish. So it makes sense not to
waste time and connect charges in these cases.

To use FTP by e-mail, you first need a list of FTP "sites" which are the
addresses of the remote computer systems that allow you to retrieve
files anonymously (without having a userid and password on that
system).

There are some popular sites listed later in this guide, but you can get
a comprehensive list of hundreds of anonymous FTP sites by sending an
e-mail message to the internet address:

mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu

and include these lines in the BODY of the note.

send usenet/news.answers/ftp-list/sitelist/part1
... (21 lines omitted for brevity) ...
send usenet/news.answers/ftp-list/sitelist/part23

You will then receive (by e-mail) 23 files which comprise the "FTP Site
List". Note that these files are each about 60K, so the whole lot will
total over a megabyte! These files haven't been updated since Nov97 but
they are still a valuable resource for FTP sites world-wide.

Another file you might want to get is "FTP Frequently Asked Questions"
which contains lots more info on using FTP services, so add this line to
your note as well:

send usenet/news.answers/ftp-list/faq

After you receive the site list you'll see dozens of entries like this,
which tell you the site name, location and the kind of files that are
stored there.

Site : ftp.cs.wisc.edu
Country: USA
GMT : -6
Date : 23-Jul-95
Source : mail
Alias : fyvie.cs.wisc.edu
Admin : ftp@cs.wisc.edu
Organ : University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wisconsin, CS dept.
Server :
System : Unix
URL : ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/
Comment: server can (de)compress, tar files and directories; RoadMap
contains list of directories; files from shorty.cs.wisc.edu
Files : 007; afs-tools; AIX; Approximation Theory; bolo; CDIFF;
computer-vision; condor; connectivity table; coral; Exodus; galileo;
ghost; goodman; HP; list-archives; machine learning; markhill;
math prog; mcplib; Novell; par-distr-sys; paradise; shore; sohi;
spim; spimsal; swartz; tech-reports; Ultimate Frisbee files; UW;
warts; wisc; wwt; X; xunet

If you find an interesting FTP site in the list, send e-mail to one of
these ftpmail servers:

ftpmail@academ.com (United States)
ftpmail@btoy1.rochester.ny.us (United States)
ftpmail@cnd.caravan.ru (Russia) - SLOW
ftpmail@dna.affrc.go.jp (Japan)
ftpmail@ftp.sunet.se (Sweden)
ftpmail@ftp.uni-stuttgart.de (Germany)
ftpmail@gu.net (Ukraine)
ftpmail@ml.imasy.or.jp (Japan)
ftpmail@mail.iif.hu (Hungary)
ftpmail@mercure.umh.ac.be (Belgium)
ftpmail@uar.net (Ukraine)

Note: There are other restricted-use FTPMAIL servers listed at
http://www.expita.com/servers.html
See the "WWW By E-mail" section for help retrieving this file.

It doesn't really matter which one you choose, but a server that is
geographically close may respond quicker. (Please DON'T use the first
one in the list just because it's there!) In the body of the note,
include these lines:

open <site>
dir
quit

This will return to you a list of the files stored in the root directory
at that site. See the figure below for an example of the output when
using "ftp.simtel.net " for the site name.

+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
total 20
drwxr-xr-x 9 root sys 1024 Oct 29 1999 .
drwxr-xr-x 9 root sys 1024 Oct 29 1999 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root sys 1431 Oct 18 1999 .welcome
-rw-r--r-- 1 root sys 731 Oct 26 1995 README.mirroring
d--x--x--x 2 root sys 96 Oct 27 1999 bin
d--x--x--x 2 root sys 96 Oct 27 1999 etc
drwxr-xr-x 5 root other 8192 Nov 10 1999 mir01
drwxr-xr-x 8 root other 8192 Jul 27 1999 mir02
drwxr-xr-x 5 root other 8192 Jul 27 1999 mir03
drwxr-xr-x 6 root other 8192 Jul 29 1999 mir04
drwxr-xr-x 3 root users 1024 Oct 27 1999 pub
+---------------------------------------------------------------------+

In your next e-mail message you can navigate to other directories by
inserting (for example)

cd pub (use "chdir" if "cd" doesn't work)

before the "dir" command. (The "cd" means "change directory" and "pub"
is a common (public) directory name, usually a good place to start.)
Once you determine the name of a file you want to retrieve, use:

get <name of file>

in the following note instead of the "dir" command. If the file you
want to retrieve is plain text, this will suffice. If it's a binary
file (an executable program, compressed file, etc.) you'll need to
insert the command:

binary

in your note before the "get" command.

Tip: Many directories at FTP sites contain a file called 00-index.txt,
README, or something similarly named which gives a description of the
files found there. If you're just exploring and your "dir" reveals one
of these filenames, do a "get" on the file and save yourself some time.

OK, let's grab the text of The Magna Carta. Here's the message you send
to an ftpmail server:

open wiretap.area.com (The name of the FTP site)
chdir /Gov/World/ (Directory where the file lives)
get magna.txt (Sign here please, John)
quit (Bring it on home)

Here are the commands you would send to to get a file from the Simtel
Software Repository that was mentioned earlier.

open ftp.simtel.net (mirrored at other world-wide sites)
cd pub/simtelnet/msdos/disasm/
binary (Because we're getting a ZIP file)
get bubble.zip
quit

Some other interesting FTP sites you may want to "visit" are listed
below. (Use these site names on the "open" command and the suggested
directory name on your "chdir" command, as in the previous examples.)

rtfm.mit.edu Try: pub/usenet/news.answers for USENET info
ftp.simtel.net Try: pub/simtelnet a huge DOS/WIN software library
gatekeeper.dec.com Try: pub/recipes for a cooking & recipe archive

Remember that you can't just send e-mail to ftpmail@<anysite>, rather
you send the "open <site>" command to one of the known ftpmail servers.

Notes:
- The ftpmail servers tend to be quite busy. Your reply may not arrive
for several minutes, hours, or days.
- Some large files may be split into smaller pieces and returned to you
as multiple messages. You can control this (and also override the
return e-mail address) using special ftpmail commands.
- The commands are not the same on every server - send the "help"
command to find out how FTPMAIL works on the server you are using!
- Often the ftpmail servers keep local archives. Open the local archives
by not specifying a site on the "open" line. Using the local archives
gives your request priority so it will be processed before all outside
requests.

If the file that is returned to you ends up looking something like what
you see below, (the word "begin" with a number and the filename on one
line, followed by a bunch of 61-character lines) it most likely is a
binary file that has been "uuencoded" by the sender. (This is required
in order to reliably transmit binary files by e-mail.)

begin 666 answer2.zip
M4$L#!`H`!@`.`/6H?18.$-Z$F@P```@?```,````5$5,25@S,34N5%A480I[
M!P8;!KL,2P,)!PL).PD'%@.(!@4.!P8%-@.6%PL*!@@*.P4.%00.%P4*.`4.

You'll need to scrounge up a version of the "uudecode" program for your
operating system (DOS, OS/2, Unix, Mac, etc.) in order to reconstruct
the file. Most likely you'll find a copy already at your site or in
your service provider's download library, but if not you can use the
instructions in the next section to find out how to search FTP sites for
a copy.


ARCHIE BY EMAIL
---------------

Let's say you know the name of a file, but you have no idea at which FTP
site it might be lurking. Or maybe you're curious to know if files
matching a certain naming criteria are available via FTP. Archie is the
tool you can use to find out.

Archie servers can be thought of as a database of all the anonymous FTP
sites in the world, allowing you to find the site and/or name of a file
to be retrieved. And using Archie by e-mail can be convenient because
some Archie searches take a LONG time to complete, leaving you to tap
your toes in the meantime.

To use Archie by e-mail, simply send an e-mail message to this address:

archie@archie.icm.edu.pl (Poland)

To obtain detailed help for using Archie by mail, put the word

help

in the subject of the note and just send it off. You'll receive e-mail
explaining how to use archie services. If you're the "just do it" type,
then enter the command:

find <file>

where "<file>" is the name of the file to search for, in the BODY (not
the subject) of the note. This will search for files that match your
criteria exactly. If you want to find files that contain your search
criteria anywhere in their name, insert the line

set search sub

before the "find" command. Some other useful archie commands you might
want to use are:

set maxhits 20 (limit output, default is 100 files)
set match_domain usa (restrict output to FTP sites in USA)
set output_format terse (return output in condensed form)

When you get the results from your Archie query, it will contain the
names of various sites at which the desired file is located. Use one of
these site names and the directory/filename listed for your next FTP
file retrieval request.

Now you've learned enough to locate that UUDECODE utility mentioned in
the last section. Let's send e-mail to archie@archie.icm.edu.pl and
include the following lines in the message:

set search sub (looking for a substring match...)
find uudecode (must contain this string...)

Note: You'll be looking for the uudecode source code, not the executable
version, which would of course be a binary file and would arrive
uuencoded - a Catch 22! The output of your archie query will contain
lots of information like this:

Host sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch (195.176.255.9)
Last updated 14:30 14 Dec 1999

Location: /mirror/NetBSD/NetBSD-release/src/usr.bin/uudecode
FILE -rw-rw-r-- 5832 02:00 23 Mar 1999 uudecode.c

Host helka.iif.hu (193.225.12.48)
Last updated 14:30 16 Dec 1999

Location: /pub/mirror_hosts/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/00_start
FILE -rw-r--r-- 5567 02:00 23 Feb 1999 uudecode.bas
FILE -rw-r--r-- 5349 02:00 23 Feb 1999 uudecode.c

Now you can use an ftpmail server to request "uudecode.bas " (if you have
BASIC available) or "uudecode.c" (if you have a C compiler) from the
helka.iif.hu site.

SPECIAL NOTE: For DOS users, there is an EXECUTABLE ASCII version of
the UUDECODE.COM program available. This is a rare exception to the
rule that executable files must be encoded to survive e-mail
transmission. You can receive it via e-mail and execute it "as is". To
get a copy, send e-mail

To: gboyd@expita.com
Subject: send uudecode.com (must be lowercase).

For further info on using uudecode, send e-mail

To: gboyd@expita.com
Subject: send uudecode.how (must be lowercase).


FTP SEARCH BY EMAIL
-------------------

Archie servers could be thought of as a database of all the anonymous
FTP sites in the world, allowing you to find the site and/or name of a
file to be retrieved. This function has been taken over by a web-based
FTP search engine.

To use FTP Search by e-mail, simply send an e-mail message to one of the
webmail servers (see WWW section) with this line in the message
BODY:

send http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/cgi-bin/search?form=lycosnet\
&query=[file name or keyword]&filetype=All+files

Now you've learned enough to locate that UUDECODE utility mentioned in
the last section. Replace [file name or keyword] with uudecode.bas to
find Basic source code, so our e-mail request looks like this:

send http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/cgi-bin/search?form=lycosnet\
&query=uudecode.bas&filetype=All+files

Note: You'll be looking for the uudecode Basic source code, not the
executable version, which would of course be a binary file and would
arrive uuencoded - a Catch 22! The output of your ftp query will
contain lots of information like this:

2 /.2/simtelnet/msdos/00_start/uudecode.bas
5.4K - 1996 Feb 24 00:00
FTP Site: ftp.cdrom.com

3 /.3/msdos/00_start/uudecode.bas
5.4K - 1996 Feb 24 00:00
FTP Site: ftp.eunet.cz

4 /.4/cpm/starter-kit/uudecode.bas
1.9K - 1986 Oct 11 00:32
FTP Site: ftp.southcom.com.au

Now you can use an ftpmail server to request "uudecode.bas" (if you have
BASIC available) from the ftp.cdrom.com site or one of the others.


GOPHER BY EMAIL
---------------

Gopher is a tool for exploring the Internet and is one way to find a
resource if you know what you want, but not where to find it. Gopher
systems are menu-based, and provide a user-friendly front end to
Internet resources, searches and information retrieval.

When visiting a Gopher site using a "live" Internet connection, one
would specify the name of the site, navigate through a series of
hierarchical menus to a desired resource, and then either read or
transfer the information back to their home system.

Using Gopher by e-mail is very similar, except that the desired site is
reached through a special "gophermail server" which gophers to the
remote site on your behalf and and returns the requested menu, submenu
or file to you in response to a set of commands in an e-mail message.

NOTE: In recent years, Gopher has fallen in popularity and most of the
gophermail servers have closed down. But still there is quite a
bit of information available on gopher servers, and a few working
gophermail servers.

Although not every item on every menu will be accessible by
"gophermail", you'll still find plenty of interesting things using this
technique. Down to brass tacks... let's send e-mail to one of these
addresses:

gopher@dna.affrc.go.jp Japan
gopher@ncc.go.jp Japan

You can optionally specify the address of a known gopher site on the
Subject line to get the main menu for that site instead.

gopher.tc.umn.edu (home of gopher)

Let's be bold and skip the HELP stuff for now. Send off a note to one
of the gophermail servers and specify

Subject: gopher.tc.umn.edu

You'll get a message back from the server that looks something like the
text in the figure below.

+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
This is response to your request with Subject: gopher.tc.umn.edu
Mail this file back to gopher with an X before the menu items that
you want. If you don't mark any items, gopher will send all of them.

1. Information About Gopher/
2. Computer Information/
3. Discussion Groups/
4. Fun & Games/
5. Internet file server (ftp) sites/
6. Libraries/
7. News/
8. Other Gopher and Information Servers/
9. Phone Books/
10. Search Gopherspace with Veronica-2 /
11. Search lots of places at the University of Minnesota <?> (Send keywords in Subject:)
12. University of Minnesota Campus Information/


You may edit the following two numbers to set the maximum sizes after
which GopherMail should send output as multiple e-mail messages:

Split=64K bytes/message <- For text, bin, HQX messages (0 = No split)
Menu=100 items/message <- For menus and query responses (0 = No split)

#
Name=Information About Gopher
Numb=1
Type=1
Port=70
Path=1/Information About Gopher
Host=gopher.tc.umn.edu
#
# ... (62 lines deleted) ...
#
Name=Search Gopherspace with Veronica-2
Numb=10
Type=1
Port=70
Path=/v2
Host=gopher.ptloma.edu
#
Name=Search lots of places at the University of Minnesota
Numb=11
Type=7
Port=70
Path=mindex:/lotsoplaces
Host=spinaltap.micro.umn.edu
#
Name=University of Minnesota Campus Information
Numb=12
Type=1
Port=70
Path=1/uofm
Host=gopher.tc.umn.edu
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

To proceed to a selection on the returned menu just e-mail the whole
text of the note (from the menu downwards) back to the gopher server,
placing an "x" next to the items(s) you want to explore. You'll then
receive the next level of the gopher menu by e-mail. Some menu choices
lead to other menus, some lead to text files, and some lead to searches.
In the example above, let's select

x 8. Other Gophers & Info Resources

and mail the whole thing right back to the gophermail server. You should
then get a menu with a number of interesting selections including "All
the Gopher Servers in the World". You'll find that many of the gopher
servers have closed down but still there are quite a few remaining.

If a menu item is labelled "Search" you used to be able to select that
item with an "x" and supply your search words in the Subject: of your
reply. However, the Veronica searches are all DEFUNCT. The few
remaining Jughead searches are listed in the next section.

Note: You needn't actually return the entire gopher menu and all the
routing info that follows it each time you reply to the gophermail
server. If you want to minimize the size of your query, you can strip
out the "menu" portion at the top and include only the portion below
that pertains to the menu selection you want.

Just remember that if you use this approach, you must specify "get all"
on the Subject line. (Exception: for searching, specify only the search
terms on the Subject line.) The example below is equivalent to
selecting "option 8" as we did earlier.

Split=0
Menu=0
#
Name=Other Gopher and Information Servers
Numb=8
Type=1
Port=70
Path=1/Other Gopher and Information Servers
Host=gopher.tc.umn.edu

If this looks like nonsense to you, here's a human translation:

Connect to PORT 70 of the HOST (computer) at "gopher.tc.umn.edu",
retrieve the sub-menu "Other Gophers", and send it to me in
ONE PIECE, regardless of its size.

Note: Sometimes gophermail requests return a blank menu or message.
This is most likely because the server failed to connect to the host
from which you were trying to get your information. Send your request
again later and it'll probably work.


VERONICA BY EMAIL
-----------------

Speaking of searches, this is a good time to mention Veronica. Just as
Archie provides a searchable index of FTP sites, Veronica provides this
function for "gopherspace". Veronica will ask you what you want to look
for (your search words) and then display another menu listing all the
gopher menu items that match your search. In typical gopher fashion,
you can then select one of these items and "go-pher it"!

All the Veronica servers were shutdown. However, a new Veronica-2
server operated by gopher.floodgap.com is available.

A Gophermail Shortcut:
----------------------

The path to some resources, files or databases can be a bit tedious,
requiring several e-mail messages to the gophermail server. But here's
the good news... If you've done it once, you can re-use any of the
e-mail messages previously sent in, changing it to suit your current
needs. As an example, here's a clipping from the Veronica menu you
would get by following the previous instructions. You can send these
lines to any gophermail server to run a Veronica search.

Split=64K bytes/message <- For text, bin, HQX messages (0 = No split)
Menu=100 items/message <- For menus and query responses (0 = No split)
#
Name=Search Veronica-2
Numb=23
Type=7
Port=70
Path=/v2/vs
Host= gopher.floodgap.com

Specify the search words in the Subject line and see what turns up! You
can use boolean expressions in Veronica searches. For a guide to
composing Veronica searches, send these lines to a gophermail server:

Split=0
Menu=0
#
Name=Search tips and how to effectively use the database
Numb=5
Type=0
Port=70
Path=/v2/help/search
Host= gopher.floodgap.com
#
Name=Help! I didn't find anything!
Numb=6
Type=0
Port=70
Path=/v2/help/noluck
Host=gopher.floodgap.com
#
Name=Accuracy of returned responses
Numb=7
Type=0
Port=70
Path=/v2/help/acc
Host=gopher.floodgap.com


JUGHEAD BY EMAIL
----------------

Speaking of searches, this is a good time to mention Jughead. Just as
Archie provides a searchable index of FTP sites, Jughead provides this
function for "gopherspace". Jughead will use the Subject: to look for
(your search words) and then display another menu listing all the gopher
menu items that match your search.

Jughead like Veronica and Gopher is almost entirely non-existant.

You can send these lines to any gophermail server to run a Jughead
search. Remember, the Subject line must contain your search words.

The following two Jughead servers only search in their respective
sites. The Marvel site contains the most information.

Split=0 Split=0
Menu=0 Menu=0
# #
Name=Marvel Jughead Search Name=Oswego Jughead Search
Type=7 Type=7
Port=2069 Port=3000
Path= Path=
Host=marvel.loc.gov Host=gopher.oswego.edu


USENET BY EMAIL
----------------

Usenet is a collection of over 52000 discussion groups on every topic
imaginable. In order to get a proper start and avoid embarrasing
yourself needlessly, you must read the Usenet new users intro document,
which can be obtained by sending e-mail to:

mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu

and include this line in the BODY of the note:

send usenet/news.answers/news-newusers-intro

To get a listing of Usenet newsgroups, add these commands to your note:

send usenet/news.answers/active-newsgroups/part1 (also get part2 & part3)
send usenet/news.answers/alt-hierarchies/part1 (also get part2 & part3)

To get the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) file(s) for a given
newsgroup, try a command like this:

index usenet/<newsgroupname>

(Substitute dots for dashes if they appear in the newsgroup name.) If
any FAQ files are available, they will be listed in the returned info,
and you can request them with a command like:

send usenet/<newsgroupname>/<faqfilename>


Reading Usenet Newsgroups
-------------------------

Gophermail methods for reading Usenet newsgroups are non-existant as
of the year 2001.

NOTE: You can also get Usenet postings from several webmail servers
listed in the WORLD-WIDE WEB BY EMAIL section later in this document.
There are four approaches:

1) Look for an Agora server with a "Y" in the "Usenet Access" column and
send a command like this in the message body: send news:<newsgroup>

2) Use a webmail server to retrieve specified web pages to search at
Google (was Deja.com) which archives Usenet groups daily.
Search Newsgroups -- http://groups.google.com/
Usenet Advanced Search -- http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search

3) Use a webmail server to retrieve specified web pages to read Usenet
at Mailgate -- http://www.mailgate.org/

4) Use the Relcom Usenet News mailserver. Send the word "help" in the
body of a message to newsserv@litech.net

Note: See the "WWW By E-mail" section below for a list of "getweb"
"agora" and "www4mail" servers.

With a little luck, you'll get a list of recent postings to the
newsgroup, and then you can retrieve the individual postings by replying
to the message from the Agora server. Make sure not to change the
subject line of the reply message, and just put the number of the
posting you want in the message BODY.

Posting In Usenet Newsgroups
----------------------------

If you decide to make a post of your own, here are two methods to try:

METHOD 1: Mail the text of your post to:

mail2news-YYYYMMDD-group.name@anon.lcs.mit.edu
mail2news_nospam-YYYYMMDD-group.name@anon.lcs.mit.edu

group.name@berlioz.crs4.it <internal use only>
group.name@comlab.ox.ac.uk <internal use only>
group.name@pubnews.demon.co.uk <access controlled>
outnews+netnews.group.name@andrew.cmu.edu <local use only>
no.group.name@news.uninett.no <Norwegian news only>

So to post to news.newusers.questions, you might send your message to:

mail2news-YYYYMMDD-news.newusers.questions@anon.lcs.mit.edu

Be sure to include an appropriate Subject: line, and include your real
name and e-mail address at the close of your note.

Substitute today's date instead of YYMMDD and the newsgroup name instead
of "group.name" in the address. For more information, send to
mail2news@anon.lcs.mit.edu with Subject: help

METHOD 2: Mail the text of your anonymous post to:

mail2news@anon.lcs.mit.edu - Subject: help
mail2news@nym.alias.net - different name for above
mail2news@dizum.com - Subject: help
mail2news@mixmaster.shinn.net - Subject: help

Searching For Usenet Newsgroups
-------------------------------

Don't know the name of the newsgroup? To search for Usenet groups about
"pets", for example, send e-mail to an Agora or www4mail server (see WWW
section) with this line in the message BODY:

send http://alabanza.com/kabacoff/Inter-Links/cgi/news.cgi?pets


WORLD-WIDE WEB (WWW) BY EMAIL
-----------------------------

The World-Wide Web is the premier Internet navigational tool - a
hypertext and multimedia system that lets you hop around the Net, read
documents, and access images & sounds linked to a source.

Have you ever heard someone say, "Wow, check out the cool stuff at
http://www.somewhere.com/blah.html" and wondered what in the world they
were talking about? Now you can retrieve WWW documents by e-mail using
an Agora server.

All you need to know is the Uniform Resource Locator (or URL, that long
ugly string starting with "http:", "gopher:", or "ftp:") which defines
the address of the document, and you can retrieve it by sending e-mail
to one of:

Agora Server Address Location Usenet Access?
--------------------------- -------------------- --------------
agora@dna.affrc.go.jp (Japan) Y
agora@kamakura.mss.co.jp (Japan) Y
agora@www.eng.dmu.ac.uk (DMU.UK users ONLY)
agora@uit.no (Norwegian users ONLY)
agora@mx.nsu.nsk.su (NSU.RU users ONLY)

In the body of your note include one of these lines, replacing "<URL>"
with the actual URL specification.

send <URL>
rsend <return-address> <URL> (to override your return address)

This will send you back the document you requested, with a list of all
the documents referenced within, so that you may make further requests.

To try WWW by e-mail send the following commands to an Agora server:

help
send http://www.w3.org

In a few minutes you should receive the Agora help file and the "W3C WWW
Welcome Consortium Page" which will include references to other Web
documents you'll want to explore. Please read the Agora help file, as
it contains answers to many commonly asked questions!

THERE ARE SOME OTHER webmail servers listed below, which run software
other than Agora. They work pretty much the same, but it's a good idea
to request the help file for the server you decide to use.

Note: The GetWeb servers below can handle web pages which contain fill-in
forms. Other webmail servers do not provide this ability.

Address Syntax Comments
----------------------- ---------- ----------------------------
data@downloadslave.com <URL> in body
getweb@emailfetch.com GET <URL> intermittent since Mar99
getweb@usa.healthnet.org GET <URL>
page@grabpage.org URL: <URL> in Subject
text@pagegetter.com <URL> in body returns text
web@pagegetter.com <URL> in body returns graphic page
webgate@vancouver-webpages.com GET <URL> or DUMP <URL> in body
webmail@www.ucc.ie SEND <URL> or GET <URL> in body
www@web2mail.com URL of page (omit http://) in Subject

Note: The webmail servers are sometimes unavailable for days (or weeks)
at a time without explanation. If you get an error or no reply, please
try another address or retry in a day or so.

THE NEW WWW4MAIL servers (combine functions of agora, getweb, and new
browser e-mail integration):

Address Comments
----------------------------- ------------------------------
www4mail@collaborium.org send help in body of a message
www4mail@ftp.uni-stuttgart.de send help in body of a message
www4mail@kabissa.org send help in body of a message
www4mail@unganisha.idrc.ca send help in body of a message
www4mail@web.bellanet.org send help in body of a message
www4mail@wm.ictp.trieste.it send help in body of a message

If you want an up-to-date listing, then look at:
http://www.expita.com/servers.html


WWW SEARCH BY EMAIL
-------------------

There's a lot of great stuff out on the Web, but how do you find it?
Well, just like Archie and Veronica help you search FTP and gopher
sites, there are several search engines that have been developed to
search for information on the Web. But until now, you had to have
direct Internet access to use them.

After a bit of research, I have found that it is possible to use several
WWW search mechanisms by e-mail. Here are some sample queries that you
can use to search via Lycos and WebCrawler. Any of these lines can be
sent to an Agora server (see above) to perform a search. If you're not
interested in frogs, then by all means feel free to use your own
keywords.

For Lycos searches you must separate words with a "+" sign. All
searches are exact.

http://www.lycos.com/srch/?lpv=1&loc=searchhp&query=frog+dissection

For WebCrawler searches you must separate words with a "+" sign. All
searches are exact.

http://www.webcrawler.com/cgi-bin/WebQuery?searchText=frog+dissection

Another way to access search engines is to send a message to one of the
GETWEB servers (see list above) with a line like this in the message
body:

SEARCH <engine> <keywords>

Replace "engine" with YAHOO, ALTAVISTA, or INFOSEEK, and use your own
search words. Here's an example:

SEARCH YAHOO consumer protection


MAILING LISTS
-------------

There are literally thousands of discussion groups that stay in touch
using e-mail based systems known as "mailing lists". People interested
in a topic "subscribe" to a "list" and then send and receive postings by
e-mail. For information concerning new lists, send e-mail to:

LISTSERV@HYPATIA.CS.WISC.EDU

In the body of your note include only this command:

INFO NEW-LIST

Finding a Mailing List
----------------------

To find out about mailing lists that are relevant to your interests,
send e-mail to an webmail server and retrieve this web page:

http://www.liszt.com/

New in These Parts?
-------------------

If you're new to the Internet, I suggest you subscribe to the HELP-NET
list where you're likely to find answers to your questions. Send the
command:

SUBSCRIBE HELP-NET <Firstname Lastname>

in the BODY of a note to LISTSERV@CRCVMS.UNL.EDU, then e-mail your
questions to the list address:

HELP-NET@CRCVMS.UNL.EDU


FINGER BY EMAIL
---------------

"Finger" is a utility that returns information about another user.
Usually it's just boring stuff like last logon, etc., but sometimes
people put fun or useful information in their finger replies. To try
out finger, send this line (in the message BODY) to a webmail server:

send http://www.mit.edu:8001/finger? <user@site>

Use one of the e-mail addresses below instead of <user@site> ...

nasanews@space.mit.edu quake@gldfs.cr.usgs.gov


"DIRECTORY ASSISTANCE" BY EMAIL
--------------------------------

There is an e-mail address lookup database at MIT which keeps tabs on
everyone who has posted a message on Usenet. Send e-mail to
mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu and enter only this line in the BODY of the
note:
send usenet-addresses/<name>

Specify as much information as you can about the person (lastname,
firstname, userid, site, etc.) to limit the amount of information that
is returned to you. Here's a sample query to find the address of
someone you think may be at Harvard University:

send usenet-addresses/Jane Doe Harvard


WHOIS BY EMAIL
--------------
WHOIS is another tool that can be used to Search for domain name; NIC
handle; host IP or lastname, firstname.

The default action for Whois, unless directed otherwise with a keyword
(e.g. "domain root"), is to do a very broad search, looking for matches
in many fields: handle, name, or hostname and finding all record types.

Let's say we want to find someone named Gerald Boyd (a noted e-mail
personality). Our Whois query will be addressed to a webmail server and
will contain only this one long line:

http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?
STRING=name+boyd%2C+gerald&STRING=Search

Whois then shows the results in one of two ways: as a full, detailed
display for a single match (with possible subdisplay), or as one- or
two-line summaries for multiple matches.

Boyd, Gerald ([11]GBL149) gboyd@PF1HELP.COM (770) 4
13-9456
Boyd, Gerald ([12]GBY218) geboyd@EARTHLINK.NET 1-818-8
46-2478
Boyd, Gerald ([13]GB8307) gerald@PF1HELP.COM 770-4
13-9456

To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx is the
handle, shown in parenthesis following the name, which comes first.


TELNET BY EMAIL
---------------

Sorry, there is no way to access TELNET sites by e-mail.


A FEW NET-GOODIES
-----------------

Here are some other interesting things you can do by e-mail. (Some of
them are accessible only by e-mail!)

* 100 THINGS TO DO BY EMAIL
Get instant answers amd information on almost 100 topics by e-mail.
Dictonary, encyclopedia, airfares, almanac, airports, currency
conversion, distance between two points, etc. etc. Send a blank e-mail
message to: topics@halibot.com Also try msnbcnow@msnbc.com

* ANONYMOUS EMAIL
An "anon server" provides a front for sending mail messages and posting
to Usenet newsgroups anonymously, should the need ever arise. To get
instructions send e-mail to remailer@gacracker.org with a Subject:
remailer-help

* ASK DR. MATH
Have a math question? Dr. Math answers questions from K-12 students and
their teachers about Mathematics. Write to dr.math@forum.swarthmore.edu

* ASK-A-GEOLOGIST
Send your earth-shattering questions to
ask-a-geologist@octopus.wr.usgs.gov and a US Geological Service
scientist will try to help.

* ASK-A-TECH
Send your computer hardware or software support questions to
helpdesk@ask-a-tech.org and this non-profit organization will try to
answer your question.

* BIBLE SEARCH
Search the King James version of the Bible. Examples below can be sent
to an Agora server. Use "+" to specify multiple words; prefix proper
names with "%23"; add "&PHRASE=ON" to find a phrase.
send http://estragon.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/KJV?title=&word=angel+%23Mary
send http://estragon.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/KJV?title=&word=fig+tree&PHRASE=ON

* CANCER DATABASE
To access the National Cancer Institute's database, send e-mail to
cancernet@icicb.nci.nih.gov with "help" or "spanish" in the message
body.

* CHECK YOUR EMAIL CONNECTION
The following are all autoresponder addresses that you can use to test
if your e-mail is working. You send a blank message to the address shown
and in a few minutes an autoresponse is received.
echo@seattlelab.com test-courrier@sogi.com (in French)
echo@telcomplus.net test@alphanet.ch
echo@tu-berlin.de test@mega.bw
internet@gurus.com test@netsydney.com
ping@stamper.itconsult.co.uk echo@tu-chemnitz.de

* COUNTRY CODES
The International E-mail accessibility FAQ is retrievable by e-mail.
Send e-mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu and enter only this line in the
BODY of the note:
send usenet/news.answers/mail/country-codes
Web site: http://www.nsrc.org/oclb

Stumped by those 2-letter country codes in Internet addresses? Send
e-mail to address-codes@GetResponse.com for an explanation.

* CURRENCY CONVERSION
You can get foreign exchange rates for the U.S. dollar and other
currencies by sending this URL to an Agora or www4mail server:
send http://cnnfn.com/markets/currencies.html

* EMAIL TO SNAIL-MAIL
Need to get a message to someone in Britain who doesn't have e-mail?
Send it to PaperMail! For full details on this fee-based service, send
e-mail to info@papermail.win-uk.net

* EMOTIONAL SUPPORT
There's a suicide helpline accessible by e-mail. Send your message to
jo@samaritans.org -- No syntax, they have humans! Also any mail to
care@netservs.com returns a listing of hundreds of emotional support
resources on the Internet.

* FINANCIAL AID FAQ
A comprehensive guide to higher education financial aid. Send blank
e-mail to send-faq@finaid.org OR query@finaid.org

* FINDING EMAIL ADDRESSES
For a guide to finding someone's e-mail addresses. Send e-mail to
mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu and enter only this line in the BODY of the
note:
send usenet/news.answers/finding-addresses

* FREE HOME PAGE BY EMAIL (For German residents only)
InetWire offers free non-commercial homepages with up to 500KB of
space. Make a zip file with index.htm being the home page, put a URL
something like "http://inetw.com/home/myname" in the Subject line and
then send your zip file as an ATTACHMENT to attach@inetw.com. (If your
e-mail program doesn't support file attachments, you're out of luck.)

* FTP UPLOAD VIA EMAIL
The first free publicly accessible FTP service that allows uploading via
e-mail has instructions available at: http://mail2ftp.hypermart.net/
You can also send the word "HELP" in the body of a message to
mail2ftp@rootshell.be or mail2ftp@treelife.org.ua

* FTPMAIL/WEBMAIL SERVER STATUS
Is your favorite FTPmail/Agora/GetWeb site overloaded or down? Find out
by sending the "get file stats.txt" command to mailserv@netservs.com

* INTERNET MOVIE DATABASE
Get tons of info on movies, actors, and directors. Send e-mail to
movie@imdb.com with HELP in the subject line.

* INTERNET TIMELINE
To learn the history of the Internet from 1950 to 1998, send blank e-mail
to timeline@hobbes.mitre.org

* THE INTERNET TOURBUS
Take a virtual tour of the Internet - hop on The Internet TourBus!
You'll receive a short mailing twice a week highlighting fun and
interesting sites on the Internet. It's absolutely free, and you can
join 80,000 others by sending SUBSCRIBE TOURBUS Firstname Lastname in
the BODY of a message to "LISTSERV@LISTSERV.AOL.COM".

* ISPs BY AREA CODE
For a list of Internet Service Providers in your area code, send this
line to an Agora server: http://thelist.iworld.com/areacode/XXX/
(where XXX=your area code)

* LANGUAGE TRANSLATION BY EMAIL
Send an e-mail as usual to a foreign language colleague in your native
tongue. In the "Cc:" line, send a carbon copy of the message to the
Universal T-mail Translator. The way you format the address will
determine how the message is translated.
Cc: (Original language)-(Final translation)@t-mail.com
English (en or an), French (fr), German (ge or de), Italian (it),
Spanish (sp or es), Portuguese (pt or po)
So English to French translation would be en-fr@t-mail.com

* LEARN TO SPEAK GEEK
Get BABEL, a glossary of computer abbreviations and acronyms. Use a
web-to-mail server to retrieve this file.
http://www.geocities.com/ikind_babel/babel/babel.html [214K]

* MEDICAL INFORMATION BY EMAIL
Send a blank e-mail message to hnet@usa.healthnet.org to receive a FAQ
which lists locations for medical information that can be accessed by
e-mail methods.

* MORE WORD FUN!
The wordserver at wsmith@wordsmith.org will serve up A.Word.A.Day,
Dictionary by Mail, Thesaurus by Mail, Acronym by Mail and Anagram by
Mail. Send blank e-mail for the help file.

Merriam-Webster dictionary offers the word of the day -- To subscribe,
send mail to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.WEBSTER.M-W.COM with the command
SUBSCRIBE MW-WOD [your name].

* MORTGAGE/LOAN CALCULATOR
To calculate your monthly loan payment, send this line to an Agora
server:
http://www.interest.com/hugh/calc/simple.cgi?amt=100000&int=8.00&yrs=30
(Change the values for principle, interest and term as appropriate.)

* NUMBER SEQUENCES
To find out how a number sequence continues (such as 2 3 5 7 11 ..., the
prime numbers), send e-mail to sequences@research.att.com with the
following in the message body: lookup 2 3 5 7 11. For help on
this service, send e-mail with a body of "help" to the same address.

* PDF CONVERSIONS BY EMAIL
You can convert PDF documents to text or HTML via e-mail. For internet
files put the URL in the body of an e-mail message to
pdf2txt@adobe.com (for plain text) or to pdf2html@adobe.com (for HTML).
If the file is on your PC then include as a MIME attachment and send
to the same addresses depending uopn whter you want text or HTML.

* PLAY GAMES BY EMAIL
You can play games via the PBeM Server, for info, send e-mail to
pbmserv@gamerz.net with Subject: help tutorial

* RFCS BY EMAIL
Details on obtaining RFCs via FTP or EMAIL may be obtained by sending
an EMAIL message To: rfc-info@ISI.EDU with help: ways_to_get_rfcs in
the message body.

* SCOUT REPORT
...is a weekly featuring announcements of new and interesting resources
on the Internet. To subscribe, send e-mail to listserv@cs.wisc.edu with
"Subscribe scout-report Your Name" in the body.

* SENDING A FAX BY EMAIL
The TPC.INT "Remote Printing Experiment" is the grandfather of Internet
faxing services. Send e-mail to tpcfaq@info.tpc.int with no subject and
"help" in the body. For a list of country phone numbers served by this
service, send e-mail to tpccover@info.tpc.int with no subject and nothing
in the body.

You can also get the FAX FAQ via electronic mail. Send e-mail to
mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu and enter only this line in the BODY of the
note:
send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/fax-faq

* SENDING MAIL TO VARIOUS NETWORKS
For a guide to communicating with people on the various networks that
make up the Internet, send e-mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu and enter
only this line in the BODY of the note:
send usenet/news.answers/mail/inter-network-guide

* STATLIB
A system for distributing statistical software, datasets, and
information by electronic mail, FTP, and WWW. To get the index, send
e-mail to statlib@lib.stat.cmu.edu with the one line message "send
index".

* STOCK MARKET QUOTE
To get a stock market quote, send this line to an Agora server:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=xxxx where xxxx is the stock market
symbol.

* TRACK UPS PACKAGES
You can track your UPS packages now thru e-mail. Send an e-mail to
totaltrack@ups.com and in the subject or the body place the complete
tracking number.

* THE USENET ORACLE
A cooperative, anonymous and humorous exchange of questions and
answers. Send e-mail to oracle@cs.indiana.edu for more information.

* U.S. CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE
You can contact the President ( president@whitehouse.gov) or Vice
President (vice_president@whitehouse.gov ).

* OTHER SOURCES OF US GOV'T INFO:
Send e-mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu and enter only these lines in
the BODY of the note:
send usenet/news.answers/us-govt-net-pointers/part1
send usenet/news.answers/us-govt-net-pointers/part2

* VIRTUAL PIZZA!
Order an electronic pizza by e-mail. Send e-mail to
" pizza@ecst.csuchico.edu" with a subject of "pizza help" for details.

* VIRUS PROTECTION SOFTWARE
F-Prot, one of the top PC virus scanners can be requested by e-mail. To
get the current version (uuencoded) send e-mail to
f-prot-update@complex.is with this message body:
send-as: uue

* WEB PAGES BY EMAIL
Use web2mail to have your favorite web pages delivered by e-mail whenever
they change.

The basic subscription form is at this web page:
http://www.web2mail.com/signup.php

* WEBSTER DICTIONARY LOOKUP
To retrieve the definition of a word, send either of these lines to an
Agora type server:
send http://www.britannica.com/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=whatever
send www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=whatever

* FOR FURTHER READING
For more details on using web search engines by e-mail use a web-to-mail
server to get this file
send ftp://ftp.expita.com/wsintro.faq



SOMETHING MISSING?
------------------

This file should be somewhere between 1300 and 1500 lines of text, and
about 58KB in size. If the file you have is much smaller, or says
something like "part 2 of 2" near the top, you're missing something.
Most likely, that's because your mail system has file size quotas that
prevented part 1 from reaching you. Here's the solution:

To get the file in multiple chunks, send to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu and
enter only these lines in the BODY of the note:

size 25000
send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email

The mail server will break up the file into chunks of 25000 bytes and
send them in separate messages. You can change "25000" to another
number if it suits your needs.


CONTACTING THE AUTHOR
---------------------

I welcome your feedback on this guide and can be reached at the
following addresses. Send corrections, ideas, suggestions and comments
by e-mail. I'll try to include any new services in future editions of
this guide.

E-mail : gboyd@expita.com
Web : http://www.expita.com/

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